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After running 21.2 miles yesterday, I realized I had some of the 18 mile tune-up still left in my legs. I planned to go all the way to Bronxville and back, which would have been closer to 24 miles, but I ran into Joe about a mile before the turn around.

I headed out that morning thinking 24 would be a nice way to make up for the 26.2 miles I missed by skipping the Yonkers marathon in favor of that 18 mile tune-up race. Knowing things weren’t feeling as good as they should have been, I turned around early and headed back to run with him a bit as he was still on the way out of his out and back. It turned out to be a smart decision since I felt it necessary to cut off an additional half a mile before making it back .

Going out today, I headed to the Rockies. I decided to do this in my Vibrams. I intentionally take the Vibrams on days when I need a recovery run, or on days when I’m expecting I’ll be struggling because my legs are shot.

It turned out to be quite nice. One of the thoughts that went through my head at the time was refreshing. With the cooler temperatures and the brisk air, the Vibrams only added to the fun. Eventually I started picking up pace. I swear things feel easier when I have them on. I never wore racing flats, but I image those who do, favor them occasionally as I do my Vibrams for similar reasons.

In any case, speaking of the Rockies, and of Joe, he’s getting together a day at the Rockies on Oct 17th. If you’re in the area, and never ran at Rockefeller estates, I suggest you take advantage of this meet-up. I consider this place the mecca of running, and I’m not alone. I often count my blessings that this is as close as it is to where I live. You have to experience it.

After returning, I had my favorite post recovery run meal. Soba noodles with 3 soft-boiled eggs swimming in Bonito Soy Sauce. To get the eggs just right, you need to drop them in after the water is boiling and then turn down the heat and let them simmer for 5 minutes. Run the soba noodles under cold water before putting it together.

Cold Soba noodles with egg and Bonito sauce

You get everything you need from this. Carbs from the soba noodles, protein (the best kind) from the eggs, and sodium from the bonito soy sauce.

The magic bonito sauce. It's nothing without this!

NYRR 18 mile tune-up race report

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The 18 mile tune up was a last minute decision for me. I mentioned this in my previous post. It turned out my friend and neighbor Tony was doing it, and the convenience of driving into the city with him and Wayne tipped the scales. Logically, it made more sense too. It’s a better race for training at this point.

Both Wayne and Tony planned to get there by 5:45 and do one extra lap of the park before the start of the race. That would make a total of 24 miles for them. Their planned early arrival would allow me enough time to register at nyrr on 89 street and make it to the start at 102nd st by 7am.

Sleeping the night before was surprisingly no problem. I passed out somewhere around 10 or 11 pm, and I slept almost straight through the night. I woke just once at 2:45 am and then again at 4:30 am. The alarm was set for 4:45, so I just got out of bed at that point.

After a quick breakfast, I threw on my running clothes. I almost forgot I was getting ready to race. It felt more like I had a pre-dawn training run planned. Since I didnt have a bib or dtag, it was like there was nothing to set off those pre-race jitters. It also occurred to me I had no idea or hint of a target time for this race. I imagined sub 7 minute miles would be a good target. 7:03 was the pace I did 3 years ago. Out of curiosity I used a race predictor and plugged in my Bronx half marathon time of 1:27:10 to see what the best I can expect to do would be. Heh, a 6:48 pace? No way. Best I felt I could hope for was 6:55 to 7:00.

At that point, I shut down the laptop, grabbed 3 gels, a cylinder of glucose tablets, a glucose shot, and ran out the door.

We drove in to the city, arrived, and parked in a secret location near 102nd street. Tony and Wayne decided to do their extra loop clockwise, which was opposite of the race direction, but in the direction of nyrr. We made our way over together and I said good bye to them as I exited the park through the engineering gate.

Made my way to NYRR and there were lots of people picking up bibs. I went upstairs to register, filled out the form, and the woman who took my form asked me “what pace?” Thinking back to what I determined right before I left home, I humbly announced, “uuhh not sure, I think ill be happy with anything sub 7″. She looked at me and then handed me a red bib.

I said “oh, hmmm” and was a little confused. I thought to myself “why red?”. Did they run out of blue bibs? Sub 7 for 18miles should surely be in first corral. If you’re not familiar with NYRR races, the corrals are color coded and your bib color dictates your corral. Blue is first while red is second.

I asked, “can I get into the first corral with this?” realizing the answer before I finished. Watching her shake her head no, her response was obvious.

“Um, I’ve always gotten blue bibs.”

“Not this race… 6:50″

Then I realized the question “what pace” meant “what’s your fastest pace for any race more than 3 miles”. Again, for those not familiar with nyrr, the answer to that question is what seeds your corral. So if you did a 6:50 pace or better for a 4mile race you would qualify for the first corral for this particular race.

Thinking quickly, I said, “my bibs have 6:17 on them.” That happens to be my 4mile pr back in 2007. I haven’t raced anything under 13 miles in nyrr for the past 3 years.

She sighs and then pulls out a blue bib. She proceeds to scold me about something as I watch her cross out the bib# on the wrong application and write my bib# on it. As I was about to point it out she says, “oh great now look at what I’ve done”

We then work together under pressure to figure out what number gets written on each application. She makes the corrections while continuing to scold me on something. Since I’m focused on what she’s doing I only catch the usual key phrases like, “Next time”, and “we don’t usually”, and “on the day of”, etc etc. The whole time I just nod my head smiling and thank her while I stay focused on what she’s doing. I make sure the right bib# is written on my application.

Now I discover tee-shirt pick up is at the start of the race. This complicates things somewhat since I have to first get to wherever shirts are given out, then to baggage, then wait for a port-a-john. The longer I delay getting to a port-a-john, the longer the lines will get.

Port-a-johns at nyrr races are THEE number one stress factor for me before a race. Read any other race report of mine and you will see that.

I run rather fast back to the start thinking of what Jack Daniels recommends as a good warm up for a race. Hard running for 1 to 2 minutes 20 minutes before racing. It’s always worked for me in the past and at this point 20 minutes is about all I got to get everything I need to done.

I get the shirt since I’ll want to change into it after the race when I’m all sweaty. I grab 3 gels from my bag stuff them in my shorts. I swallow about 6 glucose tablets and put the glucose shot in my shorts. I tie my bag to the fence. I run to the port-a-johns and find the shortest line. Things are moving quick enough. This is where I always remind myself its chip time. Its ok to be late to the start, but I’d rather not be.

I get done and head to the start. I have 5 minutes and they’re announcing the corrals are closing. I stay at the back of the first corral. I look at all the red bibs right behind me on the other side of the rope and think to myself how much my blue bib makes a difference. I down the liquid glucose shot and I’m already feeling the effects of the glucose tablets.

The announcements are short, and we’re off.

We head downhill to the start of Harlem hills. I pass by Chris, our female pacer for the 7:30 group at NYRR’s long training run #2. I say hello and have a brief chat about target pace. I move on and wish her luck.

Starting up hill it’s hard to assess how things feel. They’re not too bad, but it’s hard to determine if the effort is right this early on. The hill is a struggle but I am locked in and I continue. I’m passing quite a bit of people. Coming down from Harlem hills, I hit the first mile marker in 6:58. Sub 7 and not much more. If I keep this pace things should be fine since this is the hardest part of the course. I’ll have to do this hill two more times though, since the race is three laps of the park.

Speaking of which, I noticed the mile markers for 1, 7 and 13 were quite a bit a part. The full loop of central park is 6.02 miles. The lane which we are running in is quite wider than usual. I realize the gap is mile markers is due to the fact the lane is twice the width and they measured it assuming all tangents will be cut. I keep this in mind throughout the race. I concentrate on cutting all tangents the whole way.

I do the first 6 miles in 40:20 with the following splits.
1) 6:58
2) 6:47
3) 6:31
4) 6:40
5) 6:42
6) 6:39

I remember thinking things were going too fast. Most of what was going on in my head during this lap was trying to control the pace and adjust it to keep things appropriate for 18 miles. I took a gel between mile 4 and 5. Took water a few times but not every stop. Nothing else significant happened and most things are a blur.

Meanwhile, the second lap was mostly filled with fear and doubts as to whether I was going to be able to hold on for the full race. Before getting past the first half of the second lap, I started lapping the back of the pack. Is was a welcomed since things were feeling somewhat lonely. The splits on the second lap were the following.

7) 6:52 – faster than the 6:58 the first time
8) 6:52
9) 6:41
10) 6:39
11) 6:47
12) 6:38

Heading out for my third lap, mentally, things felt easier. One more lap around. If the second lap can be described as pessimism, this one was mostly optimism. I climbed Harlem Hills and was glad I wouldn’t have to do it again. I passed by the mile 13 marker. I saw the clock was 1:28 and change. I thought to myself, why was the Brooklyn half such a shit show compared to this? 1:29:05 was a struggle then. 1:28 was no problem and I have enough for 5 more. This is a tougher course.

I wasn’t able to get water at any part of the third lap. There were way too many others at this point, all people on their second lap. I zone out until I get to the southern most end of the park. Climbing back up on the first hill heading north, I start focusing on how much more to go. I usually do this towards the end of races and things start feeling tough along with it. I don’t know if one causes the other, and if so, which one. Does the feeling of things getting tough cause me to count the last 2 or 3 miles by every tenth of a mile, or is the fact I’m towards the end of the race and counting the final bits is what’s causing things to get hard.

I make it up cat hill and I feel it. My legs suffer, but I’m almost to the 17th mile marker. From there it’s flat. I’m grateful I don’t have to do cat hill again. I get to mile 17 and I push harder. I pick things up and although its hard, it feels good. I hold it and make my way past the engineering gate and to the minor rolling hills and then towards the transverse. I concentrate on just holding it from there and not pushing more than I am. I don’t want to drop things.

I turn left and start kicking a bit. I hear the announcer mention my name, herb carroll from white plains. I cross the finish line. I check my time and I’m very pleased. But more than that, I’m pleased with how I ran the race. It felt good the whole way through. Mostly, I enjoyed the experience of running it. It wasnt about pushing hard as much as it was about finding comfort and being able to make adjustments to keep things manageable. The last two races, this and the Bronx half have been really good performances for me and the irony is I’ve been caring less about the my times than the experience.

13) 6:55
14) 6:57
15) 6:37
16) 6:41
17) 6:59
18) 6:15 – last lap the fastest :)

My watch said 2:01:19. The official result is 2:01:15. 6:44 pace average. 6:48 was my half marathon pr at the beginning of the year. I did the Manhattan half in January averaging a 6:51 pace. Same course and only 2 laps instead of 3. This has been a good year for me so far. If it all stopped here I would be fine with that.

It turns out this race gives me a VDOT of 53.4. This is my highest VDOT so far. The fact it’s during a long 18 mile race is somewhat reassuring.

After getting my bags and such I go to the finish and watch people cross for about an hour before Tony and Wayne complete. We run into Frank and others as we head to the car and back home.

On the way back, Tony and Wayne wanted to stop off for junk food, and Tony, knowing White Castle is one exception I’ve made in the past to my no junk food rule, declares we are going to the one in Yonkers on the way home. Ironically, this happens to be right near the mile 23 marker of the Yonkers marathon. I decline getting anything to eat because I no longer eat red-meat, but I’m happy to see some marathoners as they finish their race about 3 miles from the finish. I look at this part of the course, as ugly as it is, and question what the hell is it that I like so much about the Yonkers Marathon? Maybe, I’ll get to figure it out next year.

18 mile tune-up update

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Despite deciding to do the Yonkers marathon, I changed my mind at the last minute and did the NYRR 18 mile tune-up instead. I’m sad to have missed Yonkers since it’s a marathon that I’ll always be fond of. Low cost, nice people, small crowd, nice medal, nice post race meal, tough and ugly course, and it was the first marathon I ever completed.

But, for my training, this was the wiser choice. And, I’m happy I made this decision.

I did 2:01:15. That’s a 6:44 pace. And, according to the VDOT, it’s an even better performance than my PR at the Bronx half marathon.

Race report will follow.

I love the fall

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I went for a run tonight. No real goal other than to get some mileage in the log. I’ve been keeping things easy because I’ll be racing something to some degree this Sunday. I haven’t decided yet between the 18 mile tune up race in Central Park or the Yonkers marathon, but both are on the same day.

I’ve done Yonkers almost every year as a tune up and have only done the 18 mile race once. I feel one should be able to race 18 miles at a full effort without having it interfere with preparation for targeting a marathon 2 months later. Meanwhile, racing Yonkers just wouldn’t be practical. Nonetheless, despite what I just said, and even though it’s a notoriously tough course, I’m considering going out with a target time in mind. Something I never did before at this race. And, it’s for all the wrong reasons too. But, nonetheless, I’m curious to see if I can do 3:15:59. Mainly because it’s my BQ time. I kind of feel like I could do this if it’s a good day. It would be fun to try in fact.

Meanwhile, the thought of 3 laps around Central Park at race pace just seems a bit unbearable at the moment. Ironic somehow. The one other time I did this race was in 2007 and I averaged a 7:03 pace. I’m faster nowadays, but because I’ve ran so many training runs in the park lately, 7:03 seems hard for 3 laps around the park. Ironic that a marathon feels more doable.

Nonetheless, I’ve been taking things easy in preparation for Sunday, regardless of what I choose. Plus the fact I’ve been having some minor aches in my left hip, which has been improving thankfully, is even more of a reason to be going easy.

So heading out, in cooler temps, things just felt great. It’s almost as if I forgot I was running at times. I intended 4 miles, but did 8 1/2 just because I wanted to stay outdoors. I wish I could describe the feeling you get from running at dusk in weather like this. But I guess if you’re someone interested enough to be reading this, then you already know what I’m talking about. It all just flows and feels right.

It’s quite reassuring to see all the suckage with running that has been going on during the heat of the summer is easily erased when that heat is gone. I know I’m not alone in that either :)

Its harder not to run

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It’s Sunday morning and I’m trying to figure out what I should do today in the way of running. Almost everyday, when I wake up, I wonder when I will run.

The weather is perfect today for a fast long run; cloudy and a little chilly. Although, I considered yesterday also perfect which was cool, breezy, and very sunny. Yesterday, I ran only 10 miles instead of the usual 20. I did this along the Bronx River Pathway by where I live. Its a nice asphalt path and I run from Kensico Dam to Hartsdale and back.

I intended to keep things easy. I’ve been having an odd pain on my left upper pelvic bone, near the very top. Some googling along with the help of Wikipedia allowed me to make an amateur diagnosis. It appears I have a strain of my Tensor fasciae latae. Never heard of it before.

Tensor fasciae latae - how do you injure this?


I can run through this, and have been doing so for the past week. But after running, an hour or so later, the problem seems to be exacerbated. It’s been gradually getting worse. I took Friday off as a result.

So Saturday morning, intending to go running easy proved to be too difficult. Running on fresh legs with a nice cool breeze, crisp air, and plenty of sun, and not the kind of sunshine that causes you to bake, I rationalized doing away with the plan of going easy and convinced myself taking Friday off was enough. I rationalized that I am still only doing 10 today. Tomorrow, the Bronx River Parkway will close to traffic at 10:00am and I will be good enough to do 20 if I can run 10 at this pace.

Then, I would realize, I’m only doing 10 today so I can do 20 tomorrow. I would then become aware of the slight pain on my hip bone and I’d slow it down, knowing that if I felt something now it would only be worse later. Until, I rationalized all the reasons I used for going fast before and I’d pick up the pace.

Half mile splits

Sure enough, later in the day, things were sore again to the touch and I felt it considerably when walking.

So, today, I know I can run. I planned to run 20 on the Bronx River Parkway and I’m trying to rationalize doing it and just keeping things very slow. I’m also wondering if I can get away with doing the type of 20 mile run I want to do at a faster pace. Or should I just run easy and do less distance than planned.

The Yonkers marathon is next Sunday. I do it almost every year as a tune-up for my fall marathon and I’m planning to do it next weekend as well. I’m wondering how I would do at Yonkers if I ran 20 today. Or better yet, how would I do if I skipped the 20 and didn’t run today. And at the moment, I’m still not sure what I’m going to be doing.

What’s Memed mean anyway?

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I’ve been taking a break from posting because, lately, I’ve been focused on thoughts of a more personal nature.

However, I’ve been hit with a chain mail type thing in blog form, and I’m compelled to follow through with the corresponding obligations, mainly because I like the concept and the fact it shows how we’re all interconnected to some degree.

So to get on with it, I have to do three things.

1) Answer this question: if you had the chance to go back and change one thing in your life, would you and what would it be?

I wish it was just one thing. But I guess if I can truly change one thing, I would have chosen to not have ever smoked cigarettes and to have taken better care of my health while I was younger. Ironic how the thing I would like to change most can be summed up in one sentence. I could write a series of blog posts on other things I would like to have been able to change, but this one thing is what I truly regret.

2) Pick 6 people and give them this award. You then have to inform each that s/he has gotten this award.

So my choices are as follows:

  • Washington Ran Here. – I’ve discovered this one through another blog I follow who appears to be a friend of her’s offline. I would have nominated the Angry Runner as well, but JT beat me to it. Washington Ran Here is full of wit and humor while doling out keen advice and insight on running and training.
  • I Run Ultras- Because I know the guy personally, and although he’s a very different type of runner than I am, we’re cut from the same cloth and share mainly similarities in our passion for running long distances.
  • Steve’s Blog – While he is arguably controversial in how he attempts to reach his goals, no one can argue he has a strong determination and is fully dedicated. Following him along his journey as he attempts to run 100 miles consecutively is inspiring if nothing else.
  • Building a Faster Me – Simply because she’s interesting to follow in her training, progress, and her thoughts related to such.
  • Will Run for Beer – Not only is she serious about running, but she’s serious about beer. Need I say more?
  • JL goes Vegan – A triathlete Buddhist vegetarian turned vegan who, along with her husband, are two very interesting people I have the pleasure of knowing. I would have nominated Dave too, but alas, he was nominated by Joe. I just hope he doesn’t mind I took the privilege of nominating his wife before he had the chance.

3) Thank the person who gave you the award.

Well, Joe deserves thanks for more than just mentioning me in his post. Joe has a been a source of knowledge and guidance in my early days of running. I am the runner I am today partly due to Joe and what he has exposed me to in the way of training and concepts. He is the one who introduced me to Jack Daniels, which is the foundation for all my choices in training. I am able to confidently make educated decisions in how I train, and how I choose to prepare myself in order to successfully reach my goals. So, for that, Thanks Joe!

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